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Post by dottorjazz on Dec 6, 2018 9:27:31 GMT
thanks Clifford, same hypothesis as mine, but with ESP one never knows.
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Post by clifford on Dec 6, 2018 16:24:24 GMT
True! It is a nicely done homemade job, whoever constructed it. It almost looks like a Saturn.
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Post by gregorythefish on Dec 6, 2018 16:36:44 GMT
that would be my guess as well.
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Post by alunsevern on Jan 27, 2019 11:34:44 GMT
I didn't realise until coming across the fact yestday that Ran Blake's first solo,piano recording was RAN BLAKE PLAYS SOLO PIANO from 1965 on ESP. It was als one of ESP's first batch of releases.
Have any of you ESP experts heard it -- or better still, do you own it?
I was playing his mid-70s set WENDE on Owl Records and it was this that prompted me to investigate a little more...
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Post by gregorythefish on Jan 27, 2019 17:36:45 GMT
no one is an esp disk expert. as iv'e said before, the label is a circus. i have heard of it, though i have not listened to it. i intend to fix that as soon as i find a nice copy. it seems to be thought of highly. btw, this website is pretty thorough for esp stuff, especially the early catalog: www.totalshutdown.com/espdisk/
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Post by alunsevern on Jan 27, 2019 19:51:02 GMT
Thanks, GTF, I don't think I've seen that before.
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Post by dottorjazz on Jan 28, 2019 12:03:47 GMT
I've never had this one, not sure if ever listened to but I did last night on Spotify. strange sound, out of tune piano or prepared piano?
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Post by clifford on Jan 28, 2019 20:05:05 GMT
He uses some really interesting chord voicings, so I don't think it's a particularly out of tune instrument that you are hearing. The ESP album is particularly fine although I enjoy his work in general.
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Post by dottorjazz on Feb 17, 2019 10:46:04 GMT
Clifford, help needed. PHARAOH SANDERS, ESP DISK 1003 there are several issues for the first Pharaoh's recording, usual for the ESP circus. I consider 4 issues only. all have the same front cover design, white spiral on black, by D.Michalowski for Frap Studio. all have 180 Riverside Drive on back cover all have smooth cover except MONO_1
DIFFERENCES FOUND
1) MONO_1: NO MONO WRITING ON LABELS AND COVER. RUGGED COVER. 2) MONO_2: MONO WRITING ON LABELS; STEREO ON BACK COVER, CANCELLED (BLACK MARKER SUPERIMPOSED). 3) STEREO_1: STEREO on back cover and labels, LABELS WRITINGS IN BLACK; ® TRADEMARK, © 1965 BY UNITED INTERNATIONAL 4) STEREO_2: STEREO on back cover and labels, LABELS WRITINGS IN BLUE, NO ® TRADEMARK, NO © 1965 BY UNITED INTERNATIONAL
my question re mono issues: smooth or rugged cover? thx
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Post by gst on Feb 20, 2019 16:31:40 GMT
dottor i assume none of the covers have "Pharaoh Sanders Quintet" written on them, correct?
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Post by dottorjazz on Feb 20, 2019 18:10:47 GMT
spiral only, no writing on front cover
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Post by dave1962 on Sept 30, 2020 22:14:08 GMT
Could I get thoughts on Stereo vs Mono presses of ESP discs? I'm dithering between picking up either a mono or stereo copy of Paul Bley's "Barrage" LP and wondered how the stereo pressings sound. Are they proper stereo recordings or reprocessed "fake" stereo? Normally I'd plump for a mono press, but I'm curious which is the best way to go.
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Post by bassman on Oct 1, 2020 8:30:51 GMT
Could I get thoughts on Stereo vs Mono presses of ESP discs? I'm dithering between picking up either a mono or stereo copy of Paul Bley's "Barrage" LP and wondered how the stereo pressings sound. Are they proper stereo recordings or reprocessed "fake" stereo? Normally I'd plump for a mono press, but I'm curious which is the best way to go. Dave, I don't own this record, but what I can tell you is this. The recording was made in true stereo in October 1964, which is proved by at least one stereo track being posted on Youtube. I don't think that, in the mid-1960s, anyone in their right mind would have resorted to fake stereo when a true stereo source was readily available.
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Post by dave1962 on Oct 1, 2020 9:35:39 GMT
Ah, that's good to know. I've had some dodgy pressings over the years that have been "stereo" but have basically been mono recordings crudely separated. But as this was recorded in true stereo then it should be good. Mid-60s was such a cross-over time with true stereo/reprocessed stereo/mono that it can be a bit of a minefield. Thanks, Dave
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Post by bassman on Oct 1, 2020 10:59:24 GMT
Ah, that's good to know. I've had some dodgy pressings over the years that have been "stereo" but have basically been mono recordings crudely separated. But as this was recorded in true stereo then it should be good. Mid-60s was such a cross-over time with true stereo/reprocessed stereo/mono that it can be a bit of a minefield. Thanks, Dave You're welcome. BTW I think fake stereo became popular only in the 1970s when historical recordings were beginning to be reissued in larger numbers. But there were some earlier instances too. There is one fake stereo version of Monk's "Brilliant Corners" from 1958 (!), I think (RLP 1174). Very rare and expensive. I do not own it either, but was told by Orrin Keepnews himself in a letter that this was one of the very few occasions on which they went in for this kind of trickery.
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