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Post by jazzhead on Feb 14, 2023 13:32:14 GMT
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Post by bassman on Feb 14, 2023 19:09:08 GMT
Archive.org is a great resource for listening to music [ ... ] Re: Birth of the Cool - I bought the "Complete" version some thirty years ago, and I listened to the live sessions *once*. I may be wrong, but I think that'll do.
BTW, the best version sonically is the RVG edition because RVG returned to the original master tapes of each tune, which were filed individually. Previous reissues had been derived from the 1957 LP master, which was second or third generation. The difference is most remarkable!
I would suspect that the Archive.org version is based upon the 1989 "Complete" because it includes the live sessions. But it's not a place for audiophiles anyway  . |
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Post by jazzhead on Feb 15, 2023 1:44:22 GMT
Archive.org is a great resource for listening to music [ ... ] Re: Birth of the Cool - I bought the "Complete" version some thirty years ago, and I listened to the live sessions *once*. I may be wrong, but I think that'll do.
BTW, the best version sonically is the RVG edition because RVG returned to the original master tapes of each tune, which were filed individually. Previous reissues had been derived from the 1957 LP master, which was second or third generation. The difference is most remarkable!
I would suspect that the Archive.org version is based upon the 1989 "Complete" because it includes the live sessions. But it's not a place for audiophiles anyway . Well I don’t know. Seems to me that audiophiles love digital music.  That Miles link makes you realise how many great albums he put out. |
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Post by bassman on Feb 15, 2023 9:57:13 GMT
(Jazzhead said:) "Well I don’t know. Seems to me that audiophiles love digital music. That Miles link makes you realise how many great albums he put out." ___________________ Ad 1) Are you sure they do? There are several kinds of them, I understand. And what is "digital"? In English, the term is mostly used as equivalent to "music downloads", while in fact, it is CD technology that should be seen as prototypical, high quality "digital" music! MP3 is a good compromise, but is it good enough for "audiophiles"? There is FLAC, of course, but do you ever use it? Ad 2) It does. I have them all. In the days of Walkman, Discman and other such devices, I used to listen to music during train rides or (rarely!) while driving. All this has become obsolete to me. When I do listen to music I listen intently, i.e. I listen at home. |
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Post by dottorjazz on Feb 15, 2023 11:28:52 GMT
while usually I don't move my vinyl collection among different locations, I've managed to have my music with me anywhere.
I've separated Jazz from Rock and Classical on different iPods (yes, I'm a boomer), and can listen to what I like when out of my home.
While I never (boomer again) made a compilation, often I listen casually, trying to guess who is playing.
plane, train, car, tube, my music is with me, now and ever.
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Post by bassman on Feb 15, 2023 12:51:42 GMT
while usually I don't move my vinyl collection among different locations, I've managed to have my music with me anywhere. I've separated Jazz from Rock and Classical on different iPods (yes, I'm a boomer), and can listen to what I like when out of my home. While I never (boomer again) made a compilation, often I listen casually, trying to guess who is playing. plane, train, car, tube, my music is with me, now and ever. Now you got me cornered, Dottore. I would be expected to say something like: "Good music is not for casual listening." I refuse! 
On the other hand, bad music isn't for casual listening either. There was that famous Italian tenor who shouted at a waitress, "Why don't you stop that bloody noise?" They complied. What if I had made that request?
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Post by jazzhead on Feb 15, 2023 13:14:01 GMT
while usually I don't move my vinyl collection among different locations, I've managed to have my music with me anywhere. I've separated Jazz from Rock and Classical on different iPods (yes, I'm a boomer), and can listen to what I like when out of my home. While I never (boomer again) made a compilation, often I listen casually, trying to guess who is playing. plane, train, car, tube, my music is with me, now and ever. I have an iPod Classic 120GB with a battery that doesn’t last long. I bought an iPhone 14 Pro Max 256 GB last year which is my new iPod if you like. All the music that I’ve bought on iTunes, Amazon Music and Bandcamp I’ve downloaded. Some music from my laptop is now stored in Files. I use VLC to play those albums. Two other useful apps I’ve downloaded from the App Store are Album Flow and Evertag. Album Flow looks and works exactly like the iPods Cover Flow. It only works with Apple Music and/or your iTunes purchases. I’d like a version that works with VLC. Evertag is an audio tags editor. You can also add album art. Very easy to use. |
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Post by dottorjazz on Feb 15, 2023 14:14:49 GMT
about casual listening: it's an exercise, a sort of blindfold test. do I recognize the tune? and that interpretation? who is the artist? who plays piano, or bass, or drums? a good challenge, try!
in pre-internet era no or few info were available. I remember a record By Monk, Columbia with a b/w pic of monk on cover. no personnel listed: who were in the quartet? I had to guess and hoped it was Trane on tenor, maybe because he was featured on Riverside/Jazzland only. the style was not Trane. years after I learned it was Charlie Rouse.
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Post by bassman on Feb 15, 2023 15:40:31 GMT
about casual listening: it's an exercise, a sort of blindfold test. [ ... ] Time and again, some of the best musicians have failed blindfold tests in uproariously spectacular ways. Now that you're bringing up the topic, I am seriously asking myself: Is it a lack of casual listening that can lead to such disasters? It has never happened to me, of course.  The obvious reason being that I'm not among the best.
The majority, it must be conceded, have been doing very well on such occasions.
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Post by jazzhead on Feb 15, 2023 16:09:24 GMT
(Jazzhead said:) "Well I don’t know. Seems to me that audiophiles love digital music. That Miles link makes you realise how many great albums he put out." ___________________ Ad 1) Are you sure they do? There are several kinds of them, I understand. And what is "digital"? In English, the term is mostly used as equivalent to "music downloads", while in fact, it is CD technology that should be seen as prototypical, high quality "digital" music! MP3 is a good compromise, but is it good enough for "audiophiles"? There is FLAC, of course, but do you ever use it? Ad 2) It does. I have them all. In the days of Walkman, Discman and other such devices, I used to listen to music during train rides or (rarely!) while driving. All this has become obsolete to me. When I do listen to music I listen intently, i.e. I listen at home. 1) Absolutely positive they do. See Mobile Fidelity… I do listen to FLAC. To be honest though, I don’t really care about audio quality. You may as well ask me if I care about video quality on YouTube. 2) Don’t you listen to music when having a shave, doing the dishes, other chores? |
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Post by bassman on Feb 15, 2023 17:55:10 GMT
(Jazzhead said:) "Well I don’t know. Seems to me that audiophiles love digital music. That Miles link makes you realise how many great albums he put out." ___________________ Ad 1) Are you sure they do? There are several kinds of them, I understand. And what is "digital"? In English, the term is mostly used as equivalent to "music downloads", while in fact, it is CD technology that should be seen as prototypical, high quality "digital" music! MP3 is a good compromise, but is it good enough for "audiophiles"? There is FLAC, of course, but do you ever use it? Ad 2) It does. I have them all. In the days of Walkman, Discman and other such devices, I used to listen to music during train rides or (rarely!) while driving. All this has become obsolete to me. When I do listen to music I listen intently, i.e. I listen at home. 1) Absolutely positive they do. See Mobile Fidelity… I do listen to FLAC. To be honest though, I don’t really care about audio quality. You may as well ask me if I care about video quality on YouTube. 2) Don’t you listen to music when having a shave, doing the dishes, other chores? 1)  Indeed! I amost forgot ...
Not having to care about sound quality is no big deal these days, compared to earlier times (the Walkman age) when wow and flutter was still an issue. I don't care about sound quality (not much) when I'm checking out chords or bass lines, but I do care when I really sit down to enjoy the music. Listening to an orchestral suite via earphones is a no-go, though some of these gadgets have improved beyond recognition.
2) Not really. I prefer listening to the BBC news (CNN too ) or some local radio news. |
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Post by DmGrl on Feb 15, 2023 18:06:02 GMT
(Jazzhead said:) .......That Miles link makes you realise how many great albums he put out." ___________________ .......It does. I have them all. In the days of Walkman, Discman and other such devices, I used to listen to music during train rides or (rarely!) while driving. All this has become obsolete to me. When I do listen to music I listen intently, i.e. I listen at home.This comment ("I have them all") caught my eye, as collecting all of Davis' albums has been something I've attempted myself. Surely, you don't have all of the "live' albums, do you? That was an area I've given up on, but I believe I do have all of the official releases, save perhaps for that one film soundtrack, The Hot Spot. My Davis library is mostly vinyl, but where necessary, includes CDs and even some downloads, which I then burned to disc. I still like to have a physical "artifact" in hand, preferably with the liner notes and associated material but I did what was necessary within a not unlimited budget! I highly recommend much of Davis' earliest work, post-Charlie Parker - so fresh and innovative! But there are gems to be found throughout his entire career. Nearly all of my listening is focused - I never did like "background" music, though I can understand why many people do. |
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Post by bassman on Feb 15, 2023 19:44:36 GMT
(Jazzhead said:) .......That Miles link makes you realise how many great albums he put out." ___________________ .......It does. I have them all. In the days of Walkman, Discman and other such devices, I used to listen to music during train rides or (rarely!) while driving. All this has become obsolete to me. When I do listen to music I listen intently, i.e. I listen at home.This comment ("I have them all") caught my eye, as collecting all of Davis' albums has been something I've attempted myself. Surely, you don't have all of the "live' albums, do you? That was an area I've given up on, but I believe I do have all of the official releases, save perhaps for that one film soundtrack, The Hot Spot. My Davis library is mostly vinyl, but where necessary, includes CDs and even some downloads, which I then burned to disc. I still like to have a physical "artifact" in hand, preferably with the liner notes and associated material but I did what was necessary within a not unlimited budget! I highly recommend much of Davis' earliest work, post-Charlie Parker - so fresh and innovative! But there are gems to be found throughout his entire career. Nearly all of my listening is focused - I never did like "background" music, though I can understand why many people do. I'm proceeding very much the same way as you do. Just "owning" digital music means nothing to me. At least it must be a rip that has a cover and label with some degree of verisimilitude. That's what my "HOT SPOT" copy is like, for instance. Most of my Miles collection is vinyl, and then more and more CD from about 1984 onward. I think I have all the official releases, but I certainly do not have all the unofficial live recordings.
You mean the early Prestige and Blue Note recordings? Yes, there are quite a few gems among those. There's the one with Charlie Parker on tenor (Collector's Items). Before Youtube, I collected quite a large number of videos, which I later put to DVD but still keep as a backup. I have a lot of stuff which is not on Youtube, I don't think it is, such as the WDR Big Band + Lalo Schifrin version of "Gillespiana". The video, that is. With Jon Faddis, Paquito D'Rivera ...
Whenever people put on some background music which they think I like, I just feel distracted because I am constantly trying to focus on it - in vain, because the volume is too low. It can be a nuisance.
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The obvious reason being that I'm not among the best.
Indeed! I amost forgot ...