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Post by jazzhead on Sept 27, 2020 0:11:37 GMT
From the DownBeat archives: Lennie Tristano: Watered-Down Bop Destroying Jazz LENNIE TRISTANO, CLASSIC INTERVIEW By John S. Wilson | Published October 6, 1950 Excerpt: "“Look what happened to Charlie Parker. He made some records featuring the melody, and they sold, and he got to be a big thing with the general public. So, they brought him into Birdland with strings to play the same things. And he played badly. Why? Because the psychological strain of playing in a vein which didn’t interest him was too much for him. Things like that don’t help Bird and they don’t help jazz.”" downbeat.com/archives/detail/lennie-tristano-watered-down-bop-destroying-jazz
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Post by Doom Girl on Sept 27, 2020 3:07:33 GMT
From the DownBeat archives: Lennie Tristano: Watered-Down Bop Destroying Jazz LENNIE TRISTANO, CLASSIC INTERVIEW By John S. Wilson | Published October 6, 1950 Excerpt: "“Look what happened to Charlie Parker. He made some records featuring the melody, and they sold, and he got to be a big thing with the general public. So, they brought him into Birdland with strings to play the same things. And he played badly. Why? Because the psychological strain of playing in a vein which didn’t interest him was too much for him. Things like that don’t help Bird and they don’t help jazz.”" downbeat.com/archives/detail/lennie-tristano-watered-down-bop-destroying-jazz
"Under the auspices of producer Norman Granz, Parker fulfilled a long-held desire to record in a string setting."There are many reasons why jazz musicians played with "strings." There were undoubtedly commercial reasons. Musicians need to make enough money to support themselves and their families - its not easy being a professional musician. Sometimes there was a desire to appeal to a wider audience. Some saw it as a challenge. And some actually liked the sound of "strings." Some pretty good albums have been made with "strings." I just spent some time yesterday listening to Cannonball Adderley's 1958 EmArcy album JUMP FOR JOY which was recorded with a string quartet and it was quite enjoyable. Cannonball soaring over the "strings" was quite a treat, as is, for example Stan Getz on his 1961 Verve release FOCUS. To criticize a jazz musician for playing "the melody" is absurd, isn't it? Harmony, melody and rhythm - perhaps Tristano never quite got that point. To criticize from a privileged position is easy. I don't like Tristano's music and many of his views, even less. As we know, jazz has survived the occasional meeting of jazz musician and "strings." Thank you for posting a link to the article. I enjoy reading these old interviews.
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Post by bassman on Sept 27, 2020 9:17:08 GMT
[ ... ] To criticize a jazz musician for playing "the melody" is absurd, isn't it? Harmony, melody and rhythm - perhaps Tristano never quite got that point. To criticize from a privileged position is easy. I don't like Tristano's music and many of his views, even less. As we know, jazz has survived the occasional meeting of jazz musician and "strings." Thank you for posting a link to the article. I enjoy reading these old interviews. "To criticize a jazz musician for playing "the melody" is absurd, isn't it?" Well, if you put it that way, yes ... but, needless to say, what he meant was Parker playing the melody, basically, with little or no improvisation, because that's what the public was able to understand. The melodies of "I Can't Get Started" and all that stuff have little to do with jazz, and the more you follow the melody the harder it gets for you to avoid kitsch. In a nutshell, playing the original melody is a very good thing as long as it's a Monk tune. Listening to the recorded legacy of "Parker With Strings", however, I can't discern too much kitsch in it, and there is quite a lot of splendid improvisation. There are two pieces associated with Tristano (one of them being his own composition) that I really, really enjoy: "Victory Ball" and "Overtime" by the Metronome All Stars!
(Here's an interesting analysis:)
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Post by gregorythefish on Sept 27, 2020 15:53:31 GMT
Tristano was a fine musician, to my ears, but there was no point to his criticism, and I think it is unhelpful at best, and actively more harmful than anything Bird could play at worst.
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Post by Doom Girl on Sept 27, 2020 18:48:43 GMT
10 hours ago Bassman said:.......Listening to the recorded legacy of "Parker With Strings", however, I can't discern too much kitsch in it, and there is quite a lot of splendid improvisation. There are two pieces associated with Tristano (one of them being his own composition) that I really, really enjoy: "Victory Ball" and "Overtime" by the Metronome All Stars! ResponseParker's playing on his recordings with strings is very good, at times astonishingly so. The Metronome All Stars "Victory Ball" and "Overtime" tracks are enjoyable though I find Tristano's playing, especially his comping behind soloists, somehow graceless (rhythmically). Not at all in the league of, say, a Bud Powell - IMHO, of course
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Post by bassman on Sept 28, 2020 7:16:16 GMT
[ ... ] The Metronome All Stars "Victory Ball" and "Overtime" tracks are enjoyable though I find Tristano's playing, especially his comping behind soloists, somehow graceless (rhythmically). Not at all in the league of, say, a Bud Powell - IMHO, of course Oh, for sure! Who was/is in Bud's league anyway?
I like those tracks (which, in fact, exist in the shape of a 10" and 12" version each, plus one alternate track, to my knowledge) because of their stellar lineup, the arrangements, execution, and sound quality. The perfect opposite of, say, a JATP session.
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