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Post by jazzhead on Jan 30, 2020 12:11:19 GMT
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Post by gregorythefish on Jan 30, 2020 15:52:39 GMT
I'll freely admit as a disclaimer that I am almost as far left as one can be, especially on social issues, but still:
Almost all greenhouse gas emissions, water pollution, etc, to the tune of around 80%, is the result of about 15 global supercorporations. Vinyl is not good for the environment, but it is barely a drop in the bucket compared to what companies like Monsanto, Wal-Mart, etc. engage in.
Not that you are doing this, jazzhead, but I will not be told that my hobby is an environmental problem while we continue to allow and in many ways facilitate (in the US anyway, through government inaction) the massive destruction of the environment in this way on a tremendous scale elsewhere so long as it suits corporate interests. It has been estimated in a Guardian article which I can now no longer find (sigh) that if just Monsanto were to go carbon neutral and stop wastewater dumping, we'd gain an additional 100-120 years to act on climate change.
so vinyl is not good for the enviroment, but neither is anything else, especially not, for example, the continued making of plastic everything.
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Post by webwax on Jan 31, 2020 2:25:31 GMT
That's why we hunt for the original pressings!
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Post by cds23 on Jan 31, 2020 10:39:08 GMT
I'll freely admit as a disclaimer that I am almost as far left as one can be, especially on social issues, but still: Almost all greenhouse gas emissions, water pollution, etc, to the tune of around 80%, is the result of about 15 global supercorporations. Vinyl is not good for the environment, but it is barely a drop in the bucket compared to what companies like Monsanto, Wal-Mart, etc. engage in. Not that you are doing this, jazzhead, but I will not be told that my hobby is an environmental problem while we continue to allow and in many ways facilitate (in the US anyway, through government inaction) the massive destruction of the environment in this way on a tremendous scale elsewhere so long as it suits corporate interests. It has been estimated in a Guardian article which I can now no longer find (sigh) that if just Monsanto were to go carbon neutral and stop wastewater dumping, we'd gain an additional 100-120 years to act on climate change. so vinyl is not good for the enviroment, but neither is anything else, especially not, for example, the continued making of plastic everything. 100% agreed on your comment. I'd also like to add the U.S. military as a massive factor in environmental pollution. But that issue never gets addressed by anybody in the mainstream media. Instead (sarcasm), we vinyl addicts are likely next in line in getting the finger pointed at while being lectured (how dare you...)
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Post by djpari on Jan 31, 2020 19:57:23 GMT
I guess Bob Weinstock was ahead of his time with his recycled vinyl ..a true environmentalist!
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Post by alunsevern on Feb 4, 2020 9:38:06 GMT
I see buying old stuff -- secondhand records, secondhand books -- as part of the personal effort to limit my own contribution to environmental degradation. Beyond that I prefer not to talk about it because the environment is one of those topics that it is almost impossible to discuss with sounding pious and/or self-righteous...
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Post by gregorythefish on Feb 4, 2020 17:35:52 GMT
i agree with you, alun, but i also think if ever there was a topic to be self-righteous about, it is this.
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Post by dottorjazz on Feb 6, 2020 15:37:24 GMT
I guess Bob Weinstock was ahead of his time with his recycled vinyl ..a true environmentalist! I'm aware of the use of recycled vinyl in New Jazz: what I don't know is if it was used for reissues or for originals too. I've quite a bit of New Jazz and all sound nice and clear. They are almost all originals so I can't say. Any thoughts?
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Post by bassman on Feb 6, 2020 17:57:30 GMT
I guess Bob Weinstock was ahead of his time with his recycled vinyl ..a true environmentalist! I'm aware of the use of recycled vinyl in New Jazz: what I don't know is if it was used for reissues or for originals too. I've quite a bit of New Jazz and all sound nice and clear. They are almost all originals so I can't say. Any thoughts? Dottore, I'm afraid it was used for originals too. My Walt Dickerson "To My Queen" is pretty noisy in spite of its Van Gelder stamp. I think LJC wrote about the problem some time ago.
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Post by djpari on Feb 6, 2020 21:16:47 GMT
I guess Bob Weinstock was ahead of his time with his recycled vinyl ..a true environmentalist! I'm aware of the use of recycled vinyl in New Jazz: what I don't know is if it was used for reissues or for originals too. I've quite a bit of New Jazz and all sound nice and clear. They are almost all originals so I can't say. Any thoughts? With New Jazz, it was predominantly an issue with non-DG releases, to my understanding. But since there are some titles that were released without DG, making them genuine first pressings (I believe "To My Queen" is among them, I don't think this exists with DG), this issue would affect first pressings as well. With Prestige, it's the same, some later pressings were pressed with recycled vinyl, although I don't believe there is a specific "cut-off time" as you have with New Jazz (DG/non-DG). Weinstock isn't the only one plagued by rapacious greed sincere environmental concerns who used recycled vinyl. I have some Cadet pressings that suffer from the same problem.
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Post by dottorjazz on Feb 10, 2020 8:09:52 GMT
I'm aware of the use of recycled vinyl in New Jazz: what I don't know is if it was used for reissues or for originals too. I've quite a bit of New Jazz and all sound nice and clear. They are almost all originals so I can't say. Any thoughts? Dottore, I'm afraid it was used for originals too. My Walt Dickerson "To My Queen" is pretty noisy in spite of its Van Gelder stamp. I think LJC wrote about the problem some time ago. thanks: has To My Queen a laminated cover?
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Post by dottorjazz on Feb 10, 2020 8:11:44 GMT
I'm aware of the use of recycled vinyl in New Jazz: what I don't know is if it was used for reissues or for originals too. I've quite a bit of New Jazz and all sound nice and clear. They are almost all originals so I can't say. Any thoughts? With New Jazz, it was predominantly an issue with non-DG releases, to my understanding. But since there are some titles that were released without DG, making them genuine first pressings (I believe "To My Queen" is among them, I don't think this exists with DG), this issue would affect first pressings as well. I've never seen To My Queen with DG too. thanks
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Post by bassman on Feb 10, 2020 9:58:07 GMT
Dottore, I'm afraid it was used for originals too. My Walt Dickerson "To My Queen" is pretty noisy in spite of its Van Gelder stamp. I think LJC wrote about the problem some time ago. thanks: has To My Queen a laminated cover? It has a thick cardboard cover which is not laminated. No DG, but a thin projecting ring instead. I bought it ca. 1970, don't know how much time it had spent in the crate before then.
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