Fredrik
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Post by Fredrik on May 26, 2019 10:07:19 GMT
When was the switch made from the RVG stamp to the VAN GELDER stamp on 1st pressing mono issues on Impulse? dottorjazz?
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Post by dottorjazz on May 27, 2019 9:09:49 GMT
I'm not an Impulse completist so I can relate on records in my collection only.
John Coltrane, Coltrane Impulse A 21 has Van Gelder
all other higher numbers bear Van Gelder.
John Coltrane Live at the Village Vanguard Impulse A 10: RVG
John Coltrane Africa/Brass Impulse A 6: RVG
Gil Evans Into the Hot Impulse A 9: RVG
the change from RVG to Van Gelder is to find between A 11 and A 20.
maybe GTF or GST can help.
no RVG or Van Gelder on Oliver Nelson The Blues and the Abstract Truth, Impulse A 5, and Max Roach Percussion Bitter Sweet Impulse A 8
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Post by Fredrik on May 27, 2019 15:16:51 GMT
Thanks Dottore! Much appreciated. A-5 should have RVG, that I’m sure of. I’m diving into the Impulse catalogue for real now. Have a few originals in my sight...
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Post by gregorythefish on May 27, 2019 16:03:24 GMT
van gelder is not known to have ever made new masters during the orange label run, so it should not be possible to find otherwise indistinguishable pressing with different van gelder stamps.
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Post by Fredrik on May 27, 2019 16:29:32 GMT
Thanks Greg! So that means whatever stamp is on there is the first/only one. I love when it’s easy like that...
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Post by dottorjazz on May 27, 2019 17:03:08 GMT
A-5 should have RVG, that I’m sure of. I. this is a mystery: my copy of The Blues and the Abstract Truth, mono A5 with abstract cover, has got Bell Sound. the recording took place in Van Gelder's Englewood Cliffs. an explanation? |
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Post by gregorythefish on May 28, 2019 16:26:25 GMT
yes, there are a few that appear with bell sound. i treat van gelder as first, but it is not an easy thing.
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Post by Martin on Jun 1, 2019 10:54:16 GMT
I might be able to narrow down the range a little. My second pressing (labels have the ABC-PARAMOUNT RECORDS, INC wording rather than the A PRODUCT OF AM-PAR RECORD CORP wording) of A-18 (McCoy Tyner - Inception) has the VAN GELDER stamp.
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Post by Mats on Jun 3, 2019 7:41:34 GMT
Looking through my Impulse originals all came down to this:
Oliver Nelson The Blues… A-5 RVG
Mingus Black Saint… A-35 RVG
Mingus Mingus Mingus Mingus Mingus A-54 VAN GELDER
A Shepp Four for Trane A-71 VAN GELDER
A Shepp Fire Music A-86 VAN GELDER
A Shepp On This Night A-97 VAN GELDER
A Shepp Live SF A-9118 VAN GELDER
A Shepp Mama Too Tight A-9134 (No stamp)
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Post by Fredrik on Jun 3, 2019 18:46:14 GMT
Thanks Martin and Mats. There seems to be no logic which stamp was used when. My copy of A-33, WLP has the VAN GELDER stamp and just as Mats copy of A-35 mine also has the RVG stamp. So there's no clear line when the switch was made. So Dottore, it seems that the RVG stamp is still present after A-21, at least up to A-35. The RVG stamp on A-35 is much smaller than the RVG stamp found on earlier titles.
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Post by gst on Jun 6, 2019 19:36:49 GMT
I might be able to narrow down the range a little. My second pressing (labels have the ABC-PARAMOUNT RECORDS, INC wording rather than the A PRODUCT OF AM-PAR RECORD CORP wording) of A-18 (McCoy Tyner - Inception) has the VAN GELDER stamp. Same with my 2nd A-16 |
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Post by gst on Jun 6, 2019 19:43:47 GMT
Thanks Martin and Mats. There seems to be no logic which stamp was used when. My copy of A-33, WLP has the VAN GELDER stamp and just as Mats copy of A-35 mine also has the RVG stamp. So there's no clear line when the switch was made. So Dottore, it seems that the RVG stamp is still present after A-21, at least up to A-35. The RVG stamp on A-35 is much smaller than the RVG stamp found on earlier titles. Yep. Looks random as I just checked some. A-38 also has the RVG stamp while A-30 and A-33 are Van Gelder. I can check more if you need. |
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Post by Fredrik on Jun 6, 2019 21:50:18 GMT
Thanks GST. I guess when all the other attributes are there for a first pressing, then which ever stamp is on there is the correct one.
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Post by Greatvinyl on Feb 4, 2021 4:51:35 GMT
Typically RVG was used on the early monos and stereos had both Van Gelder and Stereo stamped. Then the stereo stamp vanished and it was just Van Gelder
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