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Post by Martin on Nov 24, 2017 17:59:20 GMT
Wow dottorjazz! I should guessed you would have JAZZ AT ANN ARBOR. How do you rate it? Is it a good Chet on Pacific to go after or would you recommend a different one like CHET BAKER AND CREW? Or something else?
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Post by dottorjazz on Nov 24, 2017 20:05:07 GMT
I'm a big fan of Baker: I love him playing AND singing (ah Alun...). 50's are almost all interesting, his last decade, mostly in Europe, is sometimes great some other unlistenable. I'll dare a paragon with Bill Evans: better in early and last years than in the middle.
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Post by dottorjazz on Nov 24, 2017 20:12:00 GMT
the same comparison with Art Pepper, but he spent a lot on holiday in the middle... complete tryptich on Omnivore: 26, 48, 49, live recordings    |
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Post by alunsevern on Nov 25, 2017 8:39:40 GMT
I'm a big fan of Baker: I love him playing AND singing (ah Alun...). 50's are almost all interesting, his last decade, mostly in Europe, is sometimes great some other unlistenable. I'll dare a paragon with Bill Evans: better in early and last years than in the middle. Dott, an interesting observation you make about Bill Evans, Chet and Art Pepper -- better in the early and late periods than in the middle... I think you may be onto something but I had never previously thought of these players that way. as regards Chet singing -- I *can* listen to Chet sing because really it is barely singing... BUt obviously would prefer not to have to. just play, Chet.  |
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Post by sztiv on Nov 25, 2017 9:04:00 GMT
not quite, here's one my father picked up in Chicago about '59 on red vinyl..  |
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Post by dottorjazz on Nov 27, 2017 10:06:27 GMT
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Post by dottorjazz on Nov 27, 2017 16:34:35 GMT
rather parallel Chet Baker. brilliant in the 50's, lots of problems in the 60's and 70's, some real gems in the last years of his life. Evans and Baker, as well as Pepper, had serious drug problems in their whole life. re Baker, he was over recorded in Europe in the 80's. the "late" gem is Chet Baker in Tokyo, June 1987, especially Vol. 1, Paddle Wheel K32Y-6270.    |
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Post by sztiv on Nov 28, 2017 10:19:50 GMT
thank you very much that late Bill Evans and the Chet Baker both sound fantastic.
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Post by Martin on Nov 29, 2017 11:55:39 GMT
Well, my questions seem to have provoked a lot of interesting responses. Thank you all! You never know which path these threads will follow once you start them.
Dottor: I've got one Omnivore Art Pepper LP - it's the RSD 2017 release of THE ART PEPPER QUARTET (originally released on Tampa). It's a clear vinyl pressing and quite possibly the oddest looking record I've ever seen. Also, seeing you picture of Playboys has reminded me of a question I have about that record: the Goldmine guides list this as having two early pressings - one in 1957 and one in 1958. Does anybody know how to tell them apart? Or is Goldmine wrong?
And going back to one of my original questions: has anybody been able to compare black and red pressings of the same Pacific Jazz records to assess sound quality?
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Post by dottorjazz on Nov 29, 2017 13:19:29 GMT
re Playboys, I think Goldmine is wrong. published for Pacific Jazz, labels say World Pacific. for years I researched Pacific Jazz labels. they do not exist. it had to be published but Pacific Jazz wanted to get out from a regional tag and turned to World.
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Post by Martin on Nov 30, 2017 7:48:26 GMT
Thank you Dottor, I suspected that Goldmine was wrong. I've come across a few examples of published sources making incorrect assumptions that are based on the idea that old record companies followed consistent and logical patterns with their catalogue numbers, labels, logos etc.
Those of us with a reasonable level amount of collecting experience have learnt (sometimes to our cost) that small, independent record labels struggling for cash in the 1950s/1960s would take the most convenient and cost effective option over consistency. They probably still do so nowadays!
The usual first indicator that such a situation exists is when I can't find the item described in a published source in any Popsike searches of old eBay auctions. For example, I've never found any auctions for stereo pressings of Coltrane's GIANT STEPS with green labels. This has led me to conclude that the first stereo pressing has blue/green bullseye labels.
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Post by gregorythefish on Nov 30, 2017 17:03:55 GMT
martin: that is the current thinking on giant steps. the only green label pressings are reissues by rhino, etc.
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Post by dottorjazz on Nov 30, 2017 17:08:00 GMT
at this time: Giant Steps stereo green or Blue Train 1577 double NY23, haven't surfaced yet. I strongly believe they do not exist on Earth.
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Post by Martin on Dec 2, 2017 14:18:05 GMT
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