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Post by gregorythefish on Nov 28, 2017 21:04:08 GMT
i still think it's ridiculous, and i think this argument that music is highly mathematical is also ridiculous. it's organized, and you need to know subtraction and arguably modular addition to write out extended chords. that's literally it. as someone who is a mathematician and has played lots and lots of music, i feel credible saying this.
i don't know why the comparisons bother me, but they do. i honestly find them a bit offensive, in both directions. i think they reduce musical expression, a far more abstract concept than rote application of mathematical rules, to something banal and rigid. musicians like coltrane understand sound to a degree of amorphous abstraction that mathematicians can barely dream of. similarly, everyone thinks that math is about long division and maybe some calculus. it isn't. it's a series of logically consistent statements that lead to a desired conclusion. most math is written in paragraphs with symbols to keep things brief and manageable.
the circle of fourths, as in the diagram, is not math. it's a chart for musical scales.
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Post by alunsevern on Nov 29, 2017 10:24:07 GMT
i still think it's ridiculous, and i think this argument that music is highly mathematical is also ridiculous. it's organized, and you need to know subtraction and arguably modular addition to write out extended chords. that's literally it. as someone who is a mathematician and has played lots and lots of music, i feel credible saying this. i don't know why the comparisons bother me, but they do. i honestly find them a bit offensive, in both directions. i think they reduce musical expression, a far more abstract concept than rote application of mathematical rules, to something banal and rigid. musicians like coltrane understand sound to a degree of amorphous abstraction that mathematicians can barely dream of. similarly, everyone thinks that math is about long division and maybe some calculus. it isn't. it's a series of logically consistent statements that lead to a desired conclusion. most math is written in paragraphs with symbols to keep things brief and manageable. the circle of fourths, as in the diagram, is not math. it's a chart for musical scales. If I understood it, I would almost certainly agree with GTF: he knows whereof he speaks
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Post by jazzhead on Jan 20, 2019 12:58:23 GMT
Just watched Jackie McLean on Mars. Highly recommended.
This is great too. Some really great anecdotes:
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Post by jazzhead on Jan 5, 2021 19:29:56 GMT
Thelonious Monk: American Composer
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Post by Doom Girl on Jan 9, 2021 23:17:17 GMT
Thelonious Monk: American Composer TY - Pretty typical jazz documentary - lots of talking heads and snatches of music - but wonderful nonetheless! SEEING Monk perform adds a whole other dimension to the music. I liked the discussion of how Monk's playing grew out of the stride piano tradition. The video was also a reminder of how many great compositions he created - and also what a fine player Charlie Rouse was.
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Post by gregorythefish on Jan 10, 2021 15:52:58 GMT
I second that. I just watched yesterday. It is delightful.
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Post by jazzhead on Feb 16, 2023 13:27:55 GMT
Another great YouTube suggestion here:
Inside Out In The Open (An Expressionist Journey Into The World Known As Free Jazz) Documentary
Description:
“Inside Out In The Open is an hour-long documentary about a form of jazz, popularly known as free jazz. The film is an exploration of that music through the voices and performances of over twenty such musicians, from those who were its first generation to younger musicians joining the tradition. Unlike more encyclopedic documentaries, Inside Out In The Open unfolds in a more organic and musical form, revealing multiple aspects of this music and its makers. The editing structure is reflective and complimentary to the music. Free-form jazz, also known as the "the new thing," or "avant-garde jazz," burst on the scene in the early '60s, led by Ornette Coleman and Cecil Taylor. It vastly extended the boundaries in rhythm, sound, and harmonics, stressing collective improvisation, with an expansive openness and with deep personal emotion.
The release of Inside Out In The Open comes on the heels of the major 10-part "Jazz" series by Ken Burns, which was criticized for given little attention to jazz after 1960, and for being critical of the genre of "free jazz." With only a small amount of media work available on this development in jazz, Inside Out In The Open is a welcome contribution, giving overdue respect to these musical artists.
Featured Interviews: Marion Brown, Roswell Rudd, John Tchicai, Alan Silva, Burton Greene, Joseph Jarman, Baikida Carroll, William Parker, Daniel Carter, Matthew Shipp, Susie Ibarra
Featured Artists: Denis Charles, Glenn Spearman, Wilber Morris, Joseph Jarman, Peter Brötzmann, John Tchicai, Sun Ra and his Arkestra, In Order To Survive (William Parker, Cooper-Moore, Rob Brown, Susie Ibarra), Other Dimensions In Music (Roy Campbell, Daniel Carter, Rashid Bakr, William Parker, with Matt Shipp),Baikida Carroll, Reggie Workman and more. “
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