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Post by Spencer on Feb 8, 2015 18:01:41 GMT
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Post by Spencer on Feb 8, 2015 18:55:20 GMT
Interesting comment about a 'young and straight Elvin Jones'. Indeed, he soon grew to detest the standard bop ride and hi-hat pattern, one of the first that I know of...then Tony Williams followed. Tony Williams reminds more of Blakey and Roach than Jones. Would you conccur? First off, I must confess your question has me stumped. On the back of my MM45rpm of this album it says "originally released 1958 by Blue Note Records"; but the further I read another info says " 'Round About Midnight originally released on Blue Note as BLP-1524".I don't know what to make of the double release date but thanks from bringing it up to my attention. I will research this further and get back to you
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Post by Rich on Feb 9, 2015 5:22:23 GMT
Tony Williams reminds more of Blakey and Roach than Jones. Would you conccur? First off, I must confess your question has me stumped. On the back of my MM45rpm of this album it says "originally released 1958 by Blue Note Records"; but the further I read another info says " 'Round About Midnight originally released on Blue Note as BLP-1524".I don't know what to make of the double release date but thanks from bringing it up to my attention. I will research this further and get back to you Well, all I can tell you is I'm 99.9% sure that the year on the MM jacket is a typo. 1524 was recorded in May 1956, so chances are that Cuscuna has accurate information about this release date being October '56.
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Post by Rich on Feb 9, 2015 5:23:28 GMT
As dgmono noted, Elvin Jones' timekeeping dramatically changed in the early sixties, from what I described as "straight" to a polythythmic unique way to push the soloist. if you compare his accompaniment of Trane with the same tracks were he's substituted by another great drummer, Roy Haynes, you'll be surprised. my personal opinion is that Elvin Jones was NOT substitutable at all. I never liked Haynes' work with Trane, it didn't fit at all, but Elvin was not there... Tony Williams is another story: he came on board with Davis, very young, maybe not completely mature but his new and different drumming was liked by Davis. listen to Live in Europe: Davis has never been propelled that way, and it sounds fresh and unusual. Must say I find Jones a unique drummer but never really warmed up to him nor Tyner. FTR, I'm not the biggest Elvin Jones fan either.
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Post by Rich on Feb 9, 2015 5:33:13 GMT
I am no monophonic disciple, but if like me you've ever wondered why some listeners insist on mono even when it is a fold down, this is one of those records that will clue you in to the addictive powers of big mono sound. Not to mention this band is undoubtedly the greatest Jazz Messengers line up ever, Dorham, Mobley, Silver, Watkins and Blakey. To be clear, this record would have been recorded to full-track tape only. But regardless, I shall continue my crusade against the use of the term 'fold down' to describe mono Van Gelder albums made under his 50/50 system. This is because even though these albums were recorded to two-track tape only, they were actually mixed in mono, not stereo. On the other hand, I argue that the term 'fold down' should only be used in instances where the music was mixed in stereo. So some collectors prefer mono even when the master tape is two-track because everyone in the studio heard everything in mono during the making of the record, so they believe mono preserves the artistic integrity of the recording. But sure, other collectors prefer mono simply for its charming, pleasing sonic characteristics. I'm a little of both. My article: londonjazzcollector.wordpress.com/2014/07/24/guest-post-how-they-heard-it-blue-note-records-and-the-transition-from-mono-to-stereo/
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Post by gregorythefish on Feb 9, 2015 14:33:53 GMT
spencer: the picture of silver on that jacket is probably my favorite jazz image ever. more than smoking dexter, more than any miles studio 'candids' which were clearly posed, more than any. he is sweaty, intense, and watching the rest of the band like a pro. i adore it. it bridges my love of the raw, rough edges of hardcore punk and the musical perfection of hard bop in one image. horace would have made a killer showman if his instrument was portable. love it, love it, love it. anyone know if there's a poster of it or anything anywhere? i also love how hank mobley is so often apparently smiling into his horn.
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Post by Rich on Feb 9, 2015 16:04:30 GMT
spencer: the picture of silver on that jacket is probably my favorite jazz image ever. more than smoking dexter, more than any miles studio 'candids' which were clearly posed, more than any. he is sweaty, intense, and watching the rest of the band like a pro. i adore it. it bridges my love of the raw, rough edges of hardcore punk and the musical perfection of hard bop in one image. horace would have made a killer showman if his instrument was portable. love it, love it, love it. anyone know if there's a poster of it or anything anywhere? i also love how hank mobley is so often apparently smiling into his horn. Make no mistake about it: that whole cover effing rules--and fun fact: it wasn't designed by Reid Miles.
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Post by spencer on Feb 9, 2015 17:15:11 GMT
spencer: the picture of silver on that jacket is probably my favorite jazz image ever. more than smoking dexter, more than any miles studio 'candids' which were clearly posed, more than any. he is sweaty, intense, and watching the rest of the band like a pro. i adore it. it bridges my love of the raw, rough edges of hardcore punk and the musical perfection of hard bop in one image. horace would have made a killer showman if his instrument was portable. love it, love it, love it. anyone know if there's a poster of it or anything anywhere? i also love how hank mobley is so often apparently smiling into his horn. Make no mistake about it: that whole cover effing rules--and fun fact: it wasn't designed by Reid Miles. it's one of the great jackets of pre reid miles BN
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Post by Spencer on Feb 9, 2015 17:16:34 GMT
spencer: the picture of silver on that jacket is probably my favorite jazz image ever. more than smoking dexter, more than any miles studio 'candids' which were clearly posed, more than any. he is sweaty, intense, and watching the rest of the band like a pro. i adore it. it bridges my love of the raw, rough edges of hardcore punk and the musical perfection of hard bop in one image. horace would have made a killer showman if his instrument was portable. love it, love it, love it. anyone know if there's a poster of it or anything anywhere? i also love how hank mobley is so often apparently smiling into his horn. right on!
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Post by Spencer on Feb 9, 2015 17:24:21 GMT
I am no monophonic disciple, but if like me you've ever wondered why some listeners insist on mono even when it is a fold down, this is one of those records that will clue you in to the addictive powers of big mono sound. Not to mention this band is undoubtedly the greatest Jazz Messengers line up ever, Dorham, Mobley, Silver, Watkins and Blakey. To be clear, this record would have been recorded to full-track tape only. But regardless, I shall continue my crusade against the use of the term 'fold down' to describe mono Van Gelder albums made under his 50/50 system. This is because even though these albums were recorded to two-track tape only, they were actually mixed in mono, not stereo. On the other hand, I argue that the term 'fold down' should only be used in instances where the music was mixed in stereo. So some collectors prefer mono even when the master tape is two-track because everyone in the studio heard everything in mono during the making of the record, so they believe mono preserves the artistic integrity of the recording. But sure, other collectors prefer mono simply for its charming, pleasing sonic characteristics. I'm a little of both. My article: londonjazzcollector.wordpress.com/2014/07/24/guest-post-how-they-heard-it-blue-note-records-and-the-transition-from-mono-to-stereo/point well taken. For sure this is not one of those 50/50 tapes otherwise MM would not have put it out as a mono. As with the last 6 or so titles MM put out in 45rpm, these two records have the added benefit of being mastered after the upgrades at cohearent. The sound is so enveloping it makes some of the stereos sound one dimesional
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Post by Spencer on Feb 9, 2015 17:29:14 GMT
First off, I must confess your question has me stumped. On the back of my MM45rpm of this album it says "originally released 1958 by Blue Note Records"; but the further I read another info says " 'Round About Midnight originally released on Blue Note as BLP-1524".I don't know what to make of the double release date but thanks from bringing it up to my attention. I will research this further and get back to you Well, all I can tell you is I'm 99.9% sure that the year on the MM jacket is a typo. 1524 was recorded in May 1956, so chances are that Cuscuna has accurate information about this release date being October '56. Agree with you 100%. Cuscuna is more than likely right. Have not been able to find any documentation to contradict 1956 as the date.
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Post by Spencer on Feb 10, 2015 4:01:15 GMT
spencer: the picture of silver on that jacket is probably my favorite jazz image ever. more than smoking dexter, more than any miles studio 'candids' which were clearly posed, more than any. he is sweaty, intense, and watching the rest of the band like a pro. i adore it. it bridges my love of the raw, rough edges of hardcore punk and the musical perfection of hard bop in one image. horace would have made a killer showman if his instrument was portable. love it, love it, love it. anyone know if there's a poster of it or anything anywhere? i also love how hank mobley is so often apparently smiling into his horn. Since we both love this pic so much I decide to post this blow-up frame for all to see what an incredible Francis Wolff shot it is. I've read that Silver is one of those performers who threw his whole body into his playing. It would seem this pic was taken as his intensity was building
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Post by gregorythefish on Feb 10, 2015 16:07:08 GMT
Since we both love this pic so much I decide to post this blow-up frame for all to see what an incredible Francis Wolff shot it is. I've read that Silver is one of those performers who threw his whole body into his playing. It would seem this pic was taken as his intensity was building god damn! look at that fucking sweat flying around! what a perfect picture. i would pay a lot of money for a nice blow-up of that. anyone know where i could go to get such a thing done?
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Post by Spencer on Feb 10, 2015 17:28:09 GMT
Since we are on the subject of mono and Blue Note I thought I should introduce a favorite of mine that I only became acquainted with last year. I am speaking of none other than The Magnificent Thad Jones Blue Note 1527. Again, not a 50/50 tape, this is true mono record. IMO, One of RVG's greatest day in the shop and he had plenty of those. Many of us know Elvin Jones well but do many of us know of his brothers Thad and Hank Jones. "The Jones Boys" I like to call them and what a glorious family of Jazz musician. 1527 is undoubtedly Thad's greatest recording before he followed the lead of many black jazz musician and settled in Scandinavia for good.
"Generally speaking there are three stages of recognition for a musician: first the fellow-musicians start the bandwagon rolling, then the critics and finally the fans."
The lines above were written by Leonard Feather in his liner notes to 1527 and it would totally appropriate to ask if this three-stage process to fame has worked Thad Jones. My answer would be, not exactly. As a musician, Jones has been adored by fellow musicians and critics but he has never met with the wide public recognition that he duly deserves. As I mentioned early on, I have only been acquainted with this album since last year and it was due to the fact that I stumbled upon an interview with a plant manager at Stoughton Printing, the company that makes all the best record albums made in the U.S. In the interview the plant manager whose name is Rob Marshaun was asked by the interviewer what is the best album jacket he can recall working on in recent times and he answered without thinking or hesitation The Magnificent Thad Jones for Music Matters. Based on this statement I purchased this album on an impulse.
My first reaction to the cover was dismay. I thought it was a rather prosaic picture with nothing much going on within the frame, but after repeated viewings I've come to since recognize it as one of the best pics ever taken by Francis Wolff. There is so much going on within the frames of this that it is like a day in the life documentary. one of the odd discoveries in this picture is that there is a woman immediately standing behind Thad Jones, but the framing and composition of the picture has blurred them into one. The other details that took me a while to locate is the Budweiser logo in the top right hand corner of the frame.
What about the music you ask?
Glorious! If you've wondered what the opposite to Miles Davis' cool, detached lyricism would sound like; look no further than this album. Thad Jones is lyrical without being gimmicky. His horn is masculine with a touch of the feminine, forceful without being showy and effortlessly smooth. It's like he combined the best of Lee Morgan and Clifford Brown. This is music that knows no era as I'm sure the songs contained in this album will please all no matter their tastes.
One of the most memorable and humorous moments int the entire record occurs at the beginning of track #1 April In Paris when Thad leads the listener down the wrong rabbit hole with a quote from the well known song Pop Goes The Weasel. For the uninitiated the first thought on hearing the quote is likely to be I bought the wrong album but just when you start to dismay, Jones skilfully conjures up Paris in spring time. His tone is so inviting you'd never want to leave. I have to say though that my favorite track is If I Love Again with it's straight and elegant rendition.
You don't pull off a Perfect album unless you have the right cas of characters behind and Thad Jones certainly had some able compatriots in this endeavor; Billy Mitchell, Barry Harris, Percy Heath and Max Roach. This is music that every jazz fan has to hear.
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Post by Spencer on Feb 10, 2015 17:40:01 GMT
A Day In The Life of Jazz
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