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Post by jazzhead on Aug 18, 2022 8:49:58 GMT
Review here: ukvibe.org/album_reviews/john-coltrane-11/Excerpt: "This Tone Poet release is available in two versions, a single mono LP and a two-LP stereo edition. The stereo version has a full album’s worth of alternative takes. Hearing these outtakes is a strange experience at first, Trane starts his solos on the title track in completely different ways each time when you’ve been listening to one solo for 40 odd years! But he was a real master of that, he was a true improviser because he played it differently every time, and every time it was classic. It’s not something you hear much of nowadays that’s for sure."
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Post by dg on Aug 18, 2022 14:46:39 GMT
Review here: ukvibe.org/album_reviews/john-coltrane-11/Excerpt: "This Tone Poet release is available in two versions, a single mono LP and a two-LP stereo edition. The stereo version has a full album’s worth of alternative takes. Hearing these outtakes is a strange experience at first, Trane starts his solos on the title track in completely different ways each time when you’ve been listening to one solo for 40 odd years! But he was a real master of that, he was a true improviser because he played it differently every time, and every time it was classic. It’s not something you hear much of nowadays that’s for sure." The review cited is by the UK's Nat Birchall, himself a tenor and soprano sax player, and has some insightful comments. If correct - ""he played it differently every time, and every time it was a classic" - perhaps this is a case where it might be worth purchasing an expensive reissue like this - but I'm still skeptical. There's a wonderful picture of Nat at his site.
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Post by jazzhead on Aug 18, 2022 15:19:27 GMT
Review here: ukvibe.org/album_reviews/john-coltrane-11/Excerpt: "This Tone Poet release is available in two versions, a single mono LP and a two-LP stereo edition. The stereo version has a full album’s worth of alternative takes. Hearing these outtakes is a strange experience at first, Trane starts his solos on the title track in completely different ways each time when you’ve been listening to one solo for 40 odd years! But he was a real master of that, he was a true improviser because he played it differently every time, and every time it was classic. It’s not something you hear much of nowadays that’s for sure." The review cited is by the UK's Nat Birchall, himself a tenor and soprano sax player, and has some insightful comments. If correct - ""he played it differently every time, and every time it was a classic" - perhaps this is a case where it might be worth purchasing an expensive reissue like this - but I'm still skeptical. There's a wonderful picture of Nat at his site. View AttachmentColtrane's solo at the start of the alternate take is different. Be interesting to hear the other unreleased takes.
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Post by bassman on Aug 18, 2022 15:52:57 GMT
Generally, much like Admin LJC, I am not into "this alt takes, out takes and false starts business." (Moreover - but this is an entirely different battleground - I don't need a mono version when a perfect stereo version is available.) Luckily, these problems do not exist with "Kind of Blue": Only one false start (Freddie Freeloader, 1:25, for the dustbin) and one (very good) alt take of "Flamenco Sketches".
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Post by jazzhead on Aug 18, 2022 16:06:13 GMT
Just found this on YouTube. Not heard this 7:13 version before. The bass is different too at the start. It was published on May 26, 2016. According to iTunes there is a 7:08 version on The Complete Masters?? Is this that "unreleased version"?
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Post by Doom Girl on Aug 18, 2022 16:56:10 GMT
WOW!
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Post by dg on Aug 18, 2022 17:23:13 GMT
“Out on thir wanderand spiritis, wow! thow cryis.”
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Post by bassman on Aug 18, 2022 18:42:26 GMT
Just found this on YouTube. Not heard this 7:13 version before. The bass is different too at the start. It was published on May 26, 2016. According to iTunes there is a 7:08 version on The Complete Masters?? Is this that "unreleased version"? [ video ] Must be the one, in all likelihood. Played at the same pace (156) as the 10:44 "master" take, it sounds like an earlier, less perfect version. The theme sounds quite wobbly at times. Otherwise, nothing to complain about as far as I have listened in. I don't need it.
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Post by jazzhead on Aug 18, 2022 22:09:14 GMT
Just found this on YouTube. Not heard this 7:13 version before. The bass is different too at the start. It was published on May 26, 2016. According to iTunes there is a 7:08 version on The Complete Masters?? Is this that "unreleased version"? [ video ] Must be the one, in all likelihood. Played at the same pace (156) as the 10:44 "master" take, it sounds like an earlier, less perfect version. The theme sounds quite wobbly at times. Otherwise, nothing to complain about as far as I have listened in. I don't need it. I've just done some research! Turns out, that 7:13 version was released in 2013. Research >>> en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Train_(album) Now, the archaeologist/mug in me would've grabbed my trowel and gone digging through ebay and discogs for that Coltrane nugget. But as it is, I'll wait for the (In)Complete Masters. And in another five years, I'll give Blue Note more money for the takes that didn't make the cut this time...
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Post by jazzhead on Aug 20, 2022 6:14:52 GMT
Lazy Bird (Alternate Take 1) 9:22
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Post by markustubesnow-temp on Aug 21, 2022 16:16:38 GMT
Well, I have a couple thoughts to share while my registration is awaiting approval. Note this is the first thread I've read on the forum.
As to "why do this"? Well, I have a couple of thoughts. First of all, how many people already have this record? LJC has three copies. Ok, cool. That's truly awesome. But consider someone who doesn't have a copy, a hypothetical music lover "coming of age" with respect to their love of music this year. Maybe they're 21 years old. Their friends are all buying vinyl, picking up RSD special records and hitting the bins to "dig". But this hypothetical listener is leaning towards jazz. They're seeking out the best information they get and, thanks to LJC, now understand that there are lots of differences in the quality of the pressings they see for sale at inflated prices in the record stores. But wait! There's this new release, apparently put out by people who know what they're doing. They don't want to miss out, and probably this new pressing is going to sound better than whatever beat-up copy they can find in the record racks.
So, that's my guess as to who's buying this record. Oh. Plus maybe, just maybe, an old-timer like myself who isn't satisfied with the copy I already have and wants a nice sounding new one.
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Post by bassman on Aug 22, 2022 7:02:22 GMT
[ ... ] There's this new release, apparently put out by people who know what they're doing. [ ... ] This is very, very true.
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Post by dottorjazz on Aug 22, 2022 8:53:07 GMT
hi Markus, welcome, old-timer here too. a "new" Blue Train? I've got four issues, two on vinyl, two digital (including a "complete" one, incomplete). while my listening experience with one vinyl is completely satisfying, I must assert I'm a Trane addict, so I've been amassing anything played by JC since my first record bought in 1968. I know that NOT everything is gold, there's some lead too, but I collected it anyway. all of this "lead" material is periodically listened, but without love nor satisfaction. when I was younger I used to buy anything of other artists too, for instance Bill Evans or T Monk but I stopped and cleared most of the stuff I could live without. never repented. so, a New Blue Train is going to see the light? I hate false starts or incomplete takes but, being Trane, I love alternates. even if I already own most of the material in the future issue I will get it, some new music to listen and love. useless and unnecessary I know already but can't turn my eyes off.
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Post by dottorjazz on Sept 16, 2022 10:25:13 GMT
question here: does this issue have "stereo" sticker on cover or not?
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Post by jazzhead on Sept 16, 2022 11:25:48 GMT
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