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Post by jazzhead on Jul 22, 2022 15:59:30 GMT
Pretty good video here on the debacle.
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Post by bassman on Jul 23, 2022 9:15:38 GMT
If I were an AAA purist, I would want my money back instead of conceding what an "excellent job they were doing anyway". BTW all my vinyl is from 1985 or earlier, some 60% of it pressed before 1965.
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Post by gregorythefish on Jul 23, 2022 16:30:34 GMT
I think these people are listening for a reason other than the music. And the evidence is that they couldn't tell what they were listening to.
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Post by dottorjazz on Jul 25, 2022 7:26:11 GMT
when I was building up my system, I spent almost a year listening to the single features doing comparisons. it was a hard time, I used three records only and couldn't dedicate to my beloved music but, when I made up my mind, I restarted to listening to music
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Post by jazzhead on Jul 25, 2022 13:53:04 GMT
Limiting the release of expensive digital LPs is a great con. I wonder if any record label has limited the sales of albums on iTunes to inflate the prices?
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Post by gregorythefish on Jul 25, 2022 14:00:55 GMT
dottor, i think you are probably in the minority on this. and i also think you are doing it right!
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Post by dottorjazz on Jul 25, 2022 14:43:33 GMT
thanks Greg: my listening story went through different systems. the 60's, parents old gear. the 70's: my first personal system. from 1988 my current system, serving me with satisfaction. Pre Mark Levinson N 26 with separate power supply Power: Krell KSA 250 Michell Gyrodec with Well Tempered arm and Denon 103(custom made by Torlai) Speakers: Magneplanar 3.7 digital section: Philips CDD 882 with separate DA converter Stax Dac Talent various cables
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Post by jazzhead on Jul 27, 2022 10:48:53 GMT
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Post by bassman on Jul 27, 2022 18:47:19 GMT
[ Youtube Video: Mobile Fidelity mastering legends Shawn R. Britton and Rob LoVerde ] So basically, "without being too technical" , what they are saying is that the only function of their computer in the analogue chain is that it "spaces the grooves so that you don't overcut". It is only connected to the preview monitoring head of their Studer preview machine, so it does not influence the analogue signal as such. They are not using their expensive, super sophisticated digital audio systems (fantastic frequency response etc.etc. - just listen to their enthusiastic description) in the production process of analogue vinyl records. How credible is that? Just asking.
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Post by jazzhead on Jul 27, 2022 19:16:49 GMT
[ Youtube Video: Mobile Fidelity mastering legends Shawn R. Britton and Rob LoVerde ] So basically, "without being too technical" , what they are saying is that the only function of their computer in the analogue chain is that it "spaces the grooves so that you don't overcut". It is only connected to the preview monitoring head of their Studer preview machine, so it does not influence the analogue signal as such. They are not using their expensive, super sophisticated digital audio systems (fantastic frequency response etc.etc. - just listen to their enthusiastic description) in the production process of analogue vinyl records. How credible is that? Just asking. That video is from five years ago. They were clearly talking crap. When The 'IN' Groove's Mike sat down with them they confirmed it. They come across smarmy. Or is that just how I see them?
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Post by jazzhead on Jul 28, 2022 23:55:19 GMT
This guy is a [expletive] idiot. There is no way that the original source sounds better when played back on a vinyl record. No [expletive] way!
@13:32 he says "If a vinyl record pressed from a DSD file sounds better than that DSD file played back directly, that's kind of weird"
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Post by bassman on Jul 29, 2022 8:51:13 GMT
This guy is a [expletive] idiot. There is no way that the original source sounds better when played back on a vinyl record. No [expletive] way! @13:32 he says "If a vinyl record pressed from a DSD file sounds better than that DSD file played back directly, that's kind of weird" ... [ video ] It's the old problem. If it "sounds better" to him there is absolutely no way to contradict him. Same with $$$ speaker cables (which make no difference) or other fake audiophile gadgets which sometimes even do make a "difference" - but does it mean an "improvement"? And is the [expletive] difference worth $$$ ?
Perhaps the only reason for a vinyl record to sound "better" compared to its digital source would be different mastering (done digitally, I expect ).
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Post by jazzhead on Jul 29, 2022 11:40:34 GMT
This guy is a [expletive] idiot. There is no way that the original source sounds better when played back on a vinyl record. No [expletive] way! @13:32 he says "If a vinyl record pressed from a DSD file sounds better than that DSD file played back directly, that's kind of weird" ... [ video ] It's the old problem. If it "sounds better" to him there is absolutely no way to contradict him. Same with $$$ speaker cables (which make no difference) or other fake audiophile gadgets which sometimes even do make a "difference" - but does it mean an "improvement"? And is the [expletive] difference worth $$$ ?
Perhaps the only reason for a vinyl record to sound "better" compared to its digital source would be different mastering (done digitally, I expect ). I just can't see how the DSD files that Mobile Fidelity have used could sound better when pressed to vinyl. I mean, those DSD files in this scenario are the masters, right?
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Post by bassman on Jul 29, 2022 17:06:02 GMT
It's the old problem. If it "sounds better" to him there is absolutely no way to contradict him. Same with $$$ speaker cables (which make no difference) or other fake audiophile gadgets which sometimes even do make a "difference" - but does it mean an "improvement"? And is the [expletive] difference worth $$$ ?
Perhaps the only reason for a vinyl record to sound "better" compared to its digital source would be different mastering (done digitally, I expect ). I just can't see how the DSD files that Mobile Fidelity have used could sound better when pressed to vinyl. I mean, those DSD files in this scenario are the masters, right? Because it's vinyl. And vinyl, for some cosmic reason, always sounds better .
I know what you mean, Jazzhead. However, through mastering, maybe the sound could be changed in a way to make it even more pleasing to the ear than the DSD file. But this is not what the guy in the video meant. To him, it sounds better because it's vinyl. Period.
Don't get me wrong, folks. I love and cherish my vinyl collection - 60% of it pressed before 1965, none after 1985. I think some of it sounds fantastic, but returning to (fake?) analogue in a studio context has no justification other than satisfying a certain type of customer.
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Post by jazzhead on Aug 3, 2022 17:32:19 GMT
This statement from MoFi is laughable: "We at Mobile Fidelity Sound Lab are aware of customer complaints regarding use of digital technology in our mastering chain. We apologize for using vague language, allowing false narratives to propagate, and for taking for granted the goodwill and trust our customers place in the Mobile Fidelity Sound Lab brand." mofi.com/pages/a-statement-from-mobile-fidelity-regarding-our-mastering-processThey didn't use vague language. Their engineers clearly stated that it's an all analogue mastering chain. @1:40 I haven't read a single article on the jazz music sites. Which is pretty strange. Marc Myers/JazzWax did post an article on a MoFi One-Step on 12 July this year, so you'd think he'd have something to say about it... www.jazzwax.com/2022/07/mobile-fidelitys-ultradisc-one-step.html
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