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Post by dottorjazz on Jun 20, 2015 17:24:41 GMT
let's start with Blue Train, and I'm sure everybody here knows what I'm talking about, but maybe not everyone is aware of how many versions of this masterpiece Coltrane recorded. 1) Sept 15 1957: 3 takes, one is the universally known BN 1577, one was published on a double CD, The Ultimate Blue Train and one still unissued. this track was the real thrower of Trane's career, the alter ego of So What for Miles. How did Trane manage this success? only seven known live performances, all between 1960 and 1961. 2) July 18-23 1960: live concerts at the Showboat, Philadelphia: 2 takes, unissued. 3) March 01-13 1961: live concerts at the Sutherland Lounge, Chicago: 1 take, unissued. 4) November 18 1961: 2 live concerts in Paris, Olympia: one was released on Jazz Way 1503, both on The Complete Paris Concerts, double CD on Mag. these two takes feature Eric Dolphy. 5) November 22 1961: same tour-from Helsinki, Finland, one unissued quintet version. 6) November 23 1961: same tour-from Stockholm, Sweden: the track appeared on a rare Swedish LP, Historic Performances HPLP 5. Historic Performances is a series of 5 LP's dedicated to John Coltrane, all unissued European live performances 1961-1963. curiously they are numbered: 1, 2, 3, 5, 6. number 4 is missing. all had a colored plain cover and same color blank labels: white, green, yellow, red and orange. list of tracks, dates and personnel, provided on small flyers typed in blue. I'll always remember when I got them, all five, from a collector who didn't want to sell. I've been asking him a couple of years at least then, on Jan 31 1980, I got a call from him: "wanna get'em?, yours for...". ok, I'm coming NOW, I replied. it was a snowy cold evening but I was so excited I drove to him and got those records home. this afternoon I listened to all of them: the quintet version of Blue Train is really impressive. two of them are displayed in another post, missing are here.    |
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Post by dottorjazz on Aug 14, 2015 6:27:25 GMT
Coltrane ended his quartet experience in 1965 and began introducing other players in his group, starting with Donald Garrett and Pharoah Sanders for a concert in Seattle, Sept. 1965. he used different ensembles for a while in order to achieve a satisfying new working group. he decided that the quintet was his way. Trane, Sanders, McLeod, Garrison and Ali. the first record with this personnel was Meditations, Impulse 9110. the next year he went on tour to Japan. American Impuse released a double album BUT Nippon Impulse released two different boxes of three records each. the first issue on Impulse IMR 9036C, with a rather Spartan booklet, was soon followed by a second issue with a beautifully illustrated one, Impulse YB-8501-3 AI   both these boxes had 5 recorded sides and one blank.  |
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Post by dottorjazz on Aug 14, 2015 6:38:53 GMT
having more material to be published, but not all what was recorded, Nippon Impulse published SECOND NIGHT IN TOKYO, Impulse YB 8508/10 AI, a second three records box.   5 sides of music and the last one with an 11 minutes interview with Trane. this is how japanese jazz passion celebrated Trane in the 60s.  |
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Post by gregorythefish on Aug 14, 2015 17:45:02 GMT
wow, dott. those are cool items. i would love to get them someday, so i will keep an eye out.
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Post by dottorjazz on Feb 2, 2016 16:12:13 GMT
I would like to get some info about the 50th anniversary A Love Supreme edition.
apart from the original issue and the only live french recording, I'm interested in what I believe is the first complete issue with Archie Shepp as second tenor.
Shepp himself told in an old interview to have recorded the whole suite but there were no traces anywhere.
I do like Shepp, especially 1964-1967.
BUT: on a previous double CD version there was one track only out of the whole suite and it was very, very disappointing.
an unbridgeable distance between the two tenors: Shepp couldn't really match with his master nor his music.
now I ask: has anyone here listened to this "new" version?
any comments?
thx
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Post by gregorythefish on Feb 3, 2016 19:37:17 GMT
Hey Dott,
My love for Trane is also unbounded. My sister got me the "super deluxe" or whatever it is version of this new set as a Christmas present. It is very nice, but I do not consider it essential at all for anyone but completists. It has all of the already issued material plus all of the false starts and alternate takes, and some new photos and writings. The packaging itself is very flimsy and prone to bending and creasing.
I love Archie Shepp, but he and Trane did not make any nice music together in my opinion. I agree on that point. Great artists, but perhaps I am too used to Love Supreme as it is.
I have the previous double CD version as well and would say one could stick with that and be perfectly happy, but if you require ALL TRANE, then you should buy this.
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Post by dottorjazz on Jan 6, 2018 10:53:41 GMT
after eating and drinking let's move waters a bit. this is a not essential but very seldom seen. Earl Bostic and his Alto Sax, King 295-72, 10" dancing music from 1952   Attachment Deleted |
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Post by David & Tracy on Jan 6, 2018 17:00:20 GMT
Have a IMPULSE promo from 1970. Pics were sent to LJC blog about one year ago. This is one record with various musicians including Trane, Buddy Montgomery, Archie Shepp, and Jamal and others. This album was sent to record stores as a promo in 1970. Has picture pages of each artist and bios. Never been played.
IMPS-AUG. 70-A.
Have looked for this online and in discussion with others and no one has any info to share. Please respond if you have knowledge of this type of promo.
If needed can upload pics!
Really would like some info and discussion
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Post by gregorythefish on Jan 6, 2018 19:16:44 GMT
please do post pics. sounds interesting.
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Post by dottorjazz on Sept 24, 2018 12:33:53 GMT
Ascension, Impulse AS 95, ABC Paramount: I've never seen this sticker   |
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Post by cellery on Oct 15, 2018 8:36:48 GMT
For what it's worth, I flipped a copy of Love Supreme earlier this year with a similar track listing sticker on back:
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Post by dottorjazz on Oct 15, 2018 15:48:55 GMT
so this is the second I see in my life
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Post by saxoblues on Oct 17, 2018 8:58:07 GMT
A first french press whith a different cover   |
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Post by saxoblues on Mar 10, 2019 17:42:34 GMT
let's start with Blue Train, and I'm sure everybody here knows what I'm talking about, but maybe not everyone is aware of how many versions of this masterpiece Coltrane recorded. 1) Sept 15 1957: 3 takes, one is the universally known BN 1577, one was published on a double CD, The Ultimate Blue Train and one still unissued. this track was the real thrower of Trane's career, the alter ego of So What for Miles. How did Trane manage this success? only seven known live performances, all between 1960 and 1961. 2) July 18-23 1960: live concerts at the Showboat, Philadelphia: 2 takes, unissued. 3) March 01-13 1961: live concerts at the Sutherland Lounge, Chicago: 1 take, unissued. 4) November 18 1961: 2 live concerts in Paris, Olympia: one was released on Jazz Way 1503, both on The Complete Paris Concerts, double CD on Mag. these two takes feature Eric Dolphy. 5) November 22 1961: same tour-from Helsinki, Finland, one unissued quintet version. 6) November 23 1961: same tour-from Stockholm, Sweden: the track appeared on a rare Swedish LP, Historic Performances HPLP 5. Historic Performances is a series of 5 LP's dedicated to John Coltrane, all unissued European live performances 1961-1963. curiously they are numbered: 1, 2, 3, 5, 6. number 4 is missing. all had a colored plain cover and same color blank labels: white, green, yellow, red and orange. list of tracks, dates and personnel, provided on small flyers typed in blue. I'll always remember when I got them, all five, from a collector who didn't want to sell. I've been asking him a couple of years at least then, on Jan 31 1980, I got a call from him: "wanna get'em?, yours for...". ok, I'm coming NOW, I replied. it was a snowy cold evening but I was so excited I drove to him and got those records home. this afternoon I listened to all of them: the quintet version of Blue Train is really impressive. two of them are displayed in another post, missing are here. View AttachmentView AttachmentView AttachmentThe number 4 of the historic perf. is a bod dylan lp |
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Post by Doom Girl on Oct 19, 2019 20:50:47 GMT
In the next post is the text (from the U.S. magazine Down Beat, of December 30, 1965), of a review of a club date (at the Village Gate) by Coltrane on November 10, 1965. I find it interesting to hear what people thought of Coltrane’s developments as they were happening, i.e., “in real time.”
If my time-line is correct, the Gate appearance occurred about 4 months after the recording of ASCENSION and about 2 weeks before MEDITATIONS. Strangely, the review mentions “his ASCENSION record date” although the magazine issue appeared more than a month before the release of the record. It seems the reviewer had knowledge of the record date. This Village Gate appearance was about a month after the LIVE IN SEATTLE date.
Some interesting points: 1) Sanders and Rashied are misspelled throughout (as Saunders and Rashid). I think that at this point, Sanders had only recently released one disc on ESP and Ali had yet to appear on record, but they surely made appearances in New York before. 2) Coltrane apparently played bagpipes 3) Coltrane played Eric Dolphy’s bass clarinet, which was given to him by Eric’s Mom.
The article, by A.B. Spellman, is a good example of U.S. jazz journalism, c. the 1960s. How I would have loved to be at the Village Gate on that night, at least for the first set. The Village Gate, owned by Art D’Lugoff, was on Bleeker Street in New York’s Greenwich Village from 1958 to 1994. Many artists released records recorded at “the Gate” including Ahmad Jamal, Bill Evans, Thelonious Monk, Sonny Rollins, and Horace Silver. John Handy’s NEW VIEW was recorded there, as was Albert Ayler’s LIVE IN GREENWICH VILLAGE.
Down Beat, December 30, 1965 35 cents
“The Bi-Weekly Music Magazine”
Trane + 7 = A Wild Night at the Gate
John Coltrane
Village Gate, New York City
Personnel: Coltrane, soprano and tenor saxophones;
Archie Shepp, Pharoah Saunders: tenor saxophones
Carlos Ward: alto saxophone; McCoy Tyner: piano; Jimmy Garrison: bass;
Rashid Ali, Elvin Jones, drums
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