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Post by jazzhead on Oct 12, 2018 14:00:19 GMT
I watched The Art of Drumming episode 4 (Sky Arts) yesterday and it was pretty good. It was presented by the drummer Steve White (Paul Weller/Style Council). I guessed the number 1 spot before the programme started, as I guess you will too.
But the biggest shock was the fact that Elvin Jones or Max Roach weren't in the Top 20. Shocking! Elvin Jones has been my favourite drummer for a while now. Closely followed by Max Roach. But I guess that's the problem with these types of charts...
The other shock, a nice one, was number 4. I grew up listening to this guy play the drums and I never got why people ridiculed him. He was unbelievably creative, and it was great to hear other drummers praising his work! Again, you can probably guess who I'm talking about.
Anyway, here's the list (I'd hide it to avoid spoilers so you can guess, but I can't remember how)
Keith Moon 20
Clyde Stubblefield 19
Jeff Porcaro 18
Carlton Barrett 17
Chris 'Daddy' Dave 16
Cindy Blackman 15
Steve Gadd 14
Ginger Baker 13
Earl Palmer 12
Neil Peart 11
Ian Paice 10
Billy Cobham 09
Bill Ward 08
Louie Bellson 07
Dave Grohl 06
Gene Krupa 05
Ringo 04
Hal Blaine 03
John Bonham 02
Buddy Rich 01
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Post by Rich on Oct 12, 2018 15:28:13 GMT
That last is clearly made by someone who doesn't know jazz. They should have called it to 20 rock drummers and left Rich and Krupa out.
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Post by sztiv on Oct 12, 2018 21:45:50 GMT
Not even Art Blakey gets a look in so I guess I shouldn't be surprised to find that Billy Higgins, Paul Motian & Ed Blackwell are all missing. John Bonham could hit very hard but where's the bloke from Def Leppard who only had one arm?
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Post by jazzhead on Oct 13, 2018 17:06:41 GMT
That last is clearly made by someone who doesn't know jazz. They should have called it to 20 rock drummers and left Rich and Krupa out. Buddy Rich was an unbelievable drummer Rich. |
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Post by DobermanBoston on Oct 14, 2018 14:39:59 GMT
That last is clearly made by someone who doesn't know jazz. They should have called it to 20 rock drummers and left Rich and Krupa out. Buddy Rich was an unbelievable drummer Rich. Seemed like he was saying that, since it was really a rock list for all intents and purposes, Krupa and Rich should have been omitted because they were jazz drummers. |
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Post by cellery on Oct 15, 2018 8:24:32 GMT
Louie Bellson's a jazz drummer as well so he'd be out too, though I'm a bit confused as to what he's doing here over say Roach, Jones or Blakey in the first place. And where's Tony Williams? A lot of his later work was outright rock or at least skirted close to it. Also even for a rock list it's a bit perplexing ... where's Bill Bruford? Stewart Copeland? Mitch Mitchell? Though maybe they were too jazzy for the compiler's tastes, haha. Then again that's the problem with lists like these - subjective, subjective, subjective. Who's to say who was really the best?
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Post by cellery on Oct 15, 2018 10:09:15 GMT
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Post by gregorythefish on Oct 15, 2018 16:05:09 GMT
lists like this are always total bullshit.
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Post by gst on Oct 15, 2018 16:06:47 GMT
I don't put any stock into these list, but try to take a positive angle. Perhaps this will introduce a few folks to jazz.
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Post by Rich on Oct 27, 2018 14:46:24 GMT
That last is clearly made by someone who doesn't know jazz. They should have called it to 20 rock drummers and left Rich and Krupa out. Buddy Rich was an unbelievable drummer Rich. I'm aware of that. What I meant was simply that they're not rock drummers. |
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Post by Danny on Jan 29, 2021 22:16:25 GMT
No Charlie Watts? Craps on ringo. One of the most underrated drummers ever.
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Post by Andy Barnard on Jan 30, 2021 23:43:55 GMT
It depends who you're asking.
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Post by Wally Drums on Jan 31, 2021 0:45:55 GMT
I doubt anyone (especially drummers) could agree on a top 20 list of anything (your local takeaway for example??)... Grohl at number 6 though?? Bit of a stretch. In (Grohl) the top 5 all round successful musician for sure. For those who said it was all rock it had def 4/5 Jazz greats in the top ten. Rich 1, Krupa 5, Bellson 7, Cobham 9 and a jazz Rock Paice at number 10. Steve White has more earned success/talent than most so..... I enjoyed it. Not sure if Ginger Baker did.
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Post by Wally Drums on Jan 31, 2021 0:57:34 GMT
That last is clearly made by someone who doesn't know jazz. They should have called it to 20 rock drummers and left Rich and Krupa out. In the top 10 there were definiely 4 Jazzers. Unless of course you who knows everything thinks Billy Cobham and Louie Bellson are not Jazzers?
A difficult list to make...
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Post by Ken on Jan 31, 2021 15:05:40 GMT
Lists like this one are pointless, they are merely opinion, which is how they should be labeled.
My favorite Twenty Drummers would be appropriate, but trying to compare many of these rock drummers to the best in jazz is ridiculous, they aren't even on the same planet in skills.
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