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Post by mortolan on Jul 24, 2019 13:30:58 GMT
a definitive transition from "etched RVG", to "stamped RVG", to "stamped VAN GELDER" (and "stamped VAN GELDER STEREO") I thought this investigation could be much easier when I started ... sorry if can look fragmentary, but every dowel will get its place when this will be over. RVG etched- RVG stamped- VAN GELDERwell known re Blue Note, I did NOT know could be related to Impulse too: I've never seen RVG etched on Impulse, has ever been used? True. I'm likely conflating Blue Note and Prestige titles in my collection with Impulse titles. I'll have to think about whether I've seen any 'etched' RVG run-outs on Impulse records. (I don't believe so.) m
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Post by mortolan on Jul 24, 2019 13:37:24 GMT
Here's a question for you, Dottore, when you say RVG "re-recorded" a title, do you mean he is known to have remixed the session from original discrete tracks, remastered from the original mix, or that he re-cut the title from the original master, or all of the above? "RE-RECORDING AND MASTERS: RUDY VAN GELDER" Right. Today we would probably state the above as, "Remixed and mastered: Rudy Van Gelder" m
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Post by mortolan on Jul 24, 2019 14:11:53 GMT
I mostly just bought what was available of the artists I liked. Many were obtained as cut-outs in the United States, for example - records that shops just wanted to get rid of! Isn't that one of the beautiful ironies of collecting mid-century jazz records? I have, for example, NM Bill Evans titles on Riverside, worth hundreds of USD today, with drill holes! At some point in the mid-seventies, these cultural gems were relegated to the dollar bin dumpster, or worse. One wonders how many of these masterpieces of the great American art form were chewed up and recycled to make Air Supply and Eagles LPs. m
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Post by dottorjazz on Sept 15, 2019 16:03:22 GMT
back in 2017, on LJC, londonjazzcollector.wordpress.com/record-labels-guide/7-impulse/impulse-complete-label-reference-set-mono-1961-8/#comment-66946Paul Rehm asked about two series of MONO ORANGE first series: 9137, 9144, 9145, 9146, 9149, 9150, 9155, 9157 & 9158 Paul states all these numbers exist in orange mono I've verified all but two: I have no evidence of 9145 and 9158 in orange mono: I hope he still reads LJC and can send me pictures. 9145: Intercollegiate Music Festival, Vol. 1 9158: Rolf and Joachim Kuhn Impressions of New York I've found white promos with mono cover, never orange. second series: 9133, 9139, 9140, 9147, 9151, 9152, 9153, 9159, 9163 & 9164 Paul asks if someone has evidences of an orange mono. my researches found WHITE PROMOS with mono cover, NO orange.
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Post by dottorjazz on Sept 16, 2019 14:35:49 GMT
just received a confirmation from collector P.D. 9158 definitely MONO orange. need one more: 9145 I know it's a record far from interesting but... thanks for helping.
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Post by mortolan on Sept 17, 2019 0:38:22 GMT
Dottore,
My 9158 is stereo ... 'have never come across a mono of this issue.
Of the second set, mine are stereo, except for 9133 and 9159 of which I have the mono promos. I can't confirm 9163 either way as I only have a repress.
m.
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Post by gregorythefish on Sept 17, 2019 13:57:24 GMT
My 9145 is stereo so no help.
All releases from before The Bill Plummer album should exist in commercial mono, and I'm glad we have confirmed this. although, 9145 is the possible exception, it is also a silly release, as dott noted, and i think they probably realized what a mistake it was almost immediately, so doubtful they ever made more.
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Post by paulrehm on Sept 17, 2019 17:44:19 GMT
back in 2017, on LJC, londonjazzcollector.wordpress.com/record-labels-guide/7-impulse/impulse-complete-label-reference-set-mono-1961-8/#comment-66946Paul Rehm asked about two series of MONO ORANGE first series: 9137, 9144, 9145, 9146, 9149, 9150, 9155, 9157 & 9158 Paul states all these numbers exist in orange mono I've verified all but two: I have no evidence of 9145 and 9158 in orange mono: I hope he still reads LJC and can send me pictures. 9145: Intercollegiate Music Festival, Vol. 1 9158: Rolf and Joachim Kuhn Impressions of New York I've found white promos with mono cover, never orange. second series: 9133, 9139, 9140, 9147, 9151, 9152, 9153, 9159, 9163 & 9164 Paul asks if someone has evidences of an orange mono. my researches found WHITE PROMOS with mono cover, NO orange. Hello all,
I am not currently home but should be able to provide photos of the orange label mono issues of 9145 and 9158 later tonight.
Amending my post from 2017 - here is a photo of an orange label mono issue of 9152: imgur.com/a/67HOVeT?s=sms
I have never seen an orange label mono of any of the following pre-Bill-Plummer catalog numbers: 9133, 9139, 9140, 9141, 9147, 9148, 9151, 9153, 9154, 9156, 9159, 9160, 9161, 9162, & 9163. Also the Plummer itself, 9164.
A few others which have bothered me - cannot seem to locate AM-PAR copies of 29 (mono or stereo - there are pics on Discogs of one or both but otherwise nada?) AM-PAR stereo copies of 26 and 27
For what it's worth I've been collecting the first mono, first stereo, and first WLP of everything for them... almost done with everything except WLP (a little over 70% complete). Lots of stuff in my Instagram - same username as here.
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Post by paulrehm on Sept 18, 2019 1:06:09 GMT
Photo of my orange label mono 9145 & 9158: imgur.com/a/KTLJpUkAnyone have a good record of which promos are truly white labels? I have done a lot of research on these and still discover new ones every so often... confusingly some mid-to-late titles seem to have promos with and without white labels.
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Post by dottorjazz on Sept 18, 2019 10:31:40 GMT
thanks Paul, recorded. A-29, Chico Hamilton Passin' trough: definitely orange AMPAR on label (but ABC Paramount on back cover). this is a future task: pairing AM PAR on label AND cover. AS-29: found only ABC Paramount on label AS-26 Duke Ellington meets Coleman Hawkins: there's a hybrid on discogs: AM PAR side 1, ABC Paramount side 2. I had this one but I can't find pics. AS-27, Freddie Hubbard the Artistry: no info
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Post by mortolan on Sept 22, 2019 1:30:14 GMT
A few others which have bothered me - cannot seem to locate AM-PAR copies of 29 (mono or stereo - there are pics on Discogs of one or both but otherwise nada?) AM-PAR stereo copies of 26 and 27
For what it's worth I've been collecting the first mono, first stereo, and first WLP of everything for them... almost done with everything except WLP (a little over 70% complete). Lots of stuff in my Instagram - same username as here.
Hi Paul, it's been a while! I'm not sure if this helps you determine whether AM-PAR 29 monos or stereos are in circulation, but I have a Canadian Impulse Sparton mono of A-29 ... and you probably know the Spartons of that time where made from US stampers shipped North to London, Ontario, and released more or less -- likely, shortly after -- the US releases. The bottom of the back of the gatefold cover reads, "PRINTED IN U.S.A. A PRODUCT OF ABC-PARAMOUNT RECORDS, INC." Again, not sure if that helps cause i've never paid much attention to that bit of text on original Impulse gatefolds. m
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Post by gst on Sept 26, 2019 21:58:23 GMT
Photo of my orange label mono 9145 & 9158: imgur.com/a/KTLJpUkAnyone have a good record of which promos are truly white labels? I have done a lot of research on these and still discover new ones every so often... confusingly some mid-to-late titles seem to have promos with and without white labels. Not sure, but the latest I have is AS-9160-A/B
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Post by gregorythefish on Sept 27, 2019 13:23:46 GMT
i have WLP labels on some of the impulse Sun Ra titles, so they go back quite a ways. I think WLP was pretty much ubiquitous, but they also sometimes used standard copies with that big promo sticker, too, in the middle of the label.
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Post by cds23 on Oct 1, 2019 11:10:03 GMT
I'd like to add Mingus' "Black Saint and the Sinner Lady", A-35. The stereo version has "RVG" machine stamped into the dead wax. This is the early stereo repress (Discogs states it as being released the same year as the very first pressing). So Van Gelder definitely used machine stamped RVG signatures at least until January 1963.
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Post by Flow on Oct 14, 2019 13:03:41 GMT
Hi everyone - I'm Flow from Germany and just signed up to this forum because I'm researching a recent purchase on Discogs and I'd appreciate your kind support. I have bought this album: www.discogs.com/John-Coltrane-Meditations/release/4832603It says it's issued in 1968. It says that "Center labels are black with red borders. The ABC and Impulse! logos are inside a connected multi-colored box (not two separate boxes). "VAN GELDER" etched in dead wax." The version I have actually received does not have the VAN GELDER etched/stamped in the dead wax, however, the Impulse!/ABC logos-boxes are actually connected, and not separated. The matrix on my version refers to this version: www.discogs.com/John-Coltrane-Meditations/release/8459299 - matrix is AS 9110 A RE 1 and AS 9110 B RE 1. Now I'm good with all up until that stage. But while Discogs claims the latter version shows the two logo boxes actually separated, on my version they are still connected. So it seems I got a connected multicolored logos label from the first version, with a matrix in the dead wax from the second version. I'd be not too concerned about it in all honesty and I'm usually not super nerdy when it comes to the different versions, but it bothers me a bit that I cannot find a year when my version might have been released. I paid 35 Euro for the 1968 version but I doubt I would have paid 35 Euro for a (potential) mid 70's reissue. Has someone an idea when the version I purchased was released? Thanks a lot for reading and your help. Cheers, Flow
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